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'-N11NGDON (Pmnsyhoni^J pRiNTfn jiy JOHN M'CAKAN.
Vol. 9.]
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Biief account of an uiiolucial coriversa tion between Mr. Ca\'Kinc; and Mr. Pink;nf.V, on the 18di of January, 1809, continued on the 22rl of the Kime month. fTraasmittcd by Mr. pinkney to the'Secretary of S'latc.j
(Concluded from our last.)
Extract ol a letter from Mr. Pinknev to the Secretary of State, dated Lon¬ don, June 6, 1 y09. Mr. Canning tells me that the con- versniions detailed in Mr. Erskine's letters did not, as I had supposed, sug¬ gest that the government of the Unitcll States vvould allow it to he umlerstood that Biilish cinizf-is mij^ht stop Ame- ;ii-an vessels attempting to violate the t-mh-.u-ijo nnd non-intercourse, continu¬ ing as to France. Jx<-. after they should be withdrawn as to Grt-at Pritaln. Tht^y supRisTt-*! t';i.itlhe United States would si(.to with the- power nvoking its edicts, ug.iinst the power persevering. Thi, Mr. Ca-ming savs he considered (al¬ though he did not so insist upon it in the rccupiMlaticn roi-.t lined in his iu structioMS t.-) Wx. YA-sYxwe") as coinpre- lit-iidi'ig what I thought he had rcpre- sei.trd the actu.d sugy'csiion to he, and what he sui.;>o t-ci i had said to him in an inii'imal tonveisatioii, nt his 'hou.se in Briion street, on the 22d of January, in ar.^ ans-.ver to one of his cnquiiies.
It will, I am sure, occur lo you, as thi- f ict is, that ll-.e little wiiich I mav have thrown out upon that otc.isiou did not link to the admir^sion of Air. Can¬ ning's oij-ct into .Tiiv stipulation '.Jv- tv,-'::en the two co-jntrics, and that I vitwrd it ovdy a's a cnsequt-nre that n-iight and would, if France persisted in her urjiist dccrtts, grow otilofarrangc;- metits simiUr to those offered by us in August Ui^it.
- Having no longer any authority (as Mr. Canning kiK:w) to speak OiTiciallv upon that or any other point con'-icctcd with the orders in council, and lieing de¬ sirous that lids govcrnm-.-nl shiidfl pro¬ pose nt-goL-ialion ;!t Washington, as W(dl concerning die ('rd<-i-!* as the affair of tl-.e Cht;saptuke, I avaided as nmch £is possiiiie explanniioiis uin-n d'.tails xvhiih vvould be best managed at home hy th'i d'.-partmcnt of .state, and eodea- voured to spv-ak upon what Mr. C'jn- fiing nroposfd to me, ir. -.(k ii a in^niner as that without jnsufving unsniti'.i)ie tx- peclatiorjs on   his    [¦'art,   or   forgetting
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tnis, as m the other p-nticulurs alluded to m my last letter, I have beer, misap- pichciided.
" I oughtto mc-nlion that the slron?- .nnd direct chati^e against the Amuican government, of " manifest partia'.it-,-," lo Eiancc, introdv.ced, vvith-jut any qaaldicalion or managc-r-.-nt of e:;prL's- sion, into a paper which Mr. Erskine vvas aiithori!,ed to communicate in c.v- tenso to you, did not strike me when that ])aper was read to me by Mr. Can¬ ning "
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Extract of a letter from Mr. Pinknev to the Secretary of Su-.te,'ciated June :^J,
1809
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¦-..., C...W uua ...e Lunsc- aect. 4. A nd be it turtb.r ,mr t., Id have- be.n that they .should ) Th.t li-om and after the passing cf th ;pted tne commerce to which ; act, it shal! not IrUrxiA toimmrt inl
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ofthe Cniti.'d Jiiati.-r. and ofthe lerrito- ri'js tijereof be, and the same is hereby i.Uerdictcd lo all pu'jli::!^ ;,!:!;.s or ves- j-els hjl(jn;;in;^- to CJreru-IJritain or France; excepilMii; vessels Oiily \>-!/n h may Ik- forcc:i in i)y uiiti-iss, or whiJi j th.-coionus on J re charged witli dispatches or b-asincss     Briiiiin or beinp- ofth; pro-.vlh  urtvl
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"J had an interview yesterday  with Mr. C.inning.
" In conversing upon the lirst of die condiuonH, upon the o!)taining of which ¦ INli;. Erskine vvas to promise the rcpe;d of tbe British ord.-rs in council,   and  a special mission, i collecied   from   vvhu was suid by Mr. Canning, that the ex¬ emption of Holland from die   t.Tect of our embargo anc non-intercourse would not have Ixren much orijected to Iiv  the Briiish yo-.ernment, if the  government oit'ac United States had been willing to concede the f.tst condition,   subject  lo that exempdon. Mr. Cannii.g observed that the expedient of an actu:il blockadir | of IJolland had occurred lo them a.s be¬ ing cnpiible of meelii-g tliat exemption: j but that Mr. Erskine h;i(l obtained   uo < pieilge, express or inijjlied, or   in  any. form, thr.t we vvould enforce   our  non- ;
inlercouiscKyi-U ill against Prance aod | the United St;ite.s, f>r s-jch otlu-r pcr.son her deptndeni its ; that our actual .=.ys- | as he s'lall W.ivn e.r.i)->owererl for tn-it te-.n vvould, if not re-enncted or comi- j purpeju, t(j emp'oy suc'i parr oi'i'i'.'find nued as to Frr-vnce, terminate widi the j :;iul naval force;-!, or of the miliiiaof ibe preficiit session of Congress ; tliat for | L^iiited States, or the territories ibereof, rtujdil that appeared to ih^ contrary in- us he shall deem nt cessi-.ry to coajp.l )our corn'spoiultnce with Mr. Er.d;iiie i surh .ship or vessel to <U:p-,irt. or in ihe Fre:-ident's pro-bn-s-jtiov,  the Sect. 2. And be it farther  cn.icteu',
enibar',;oandnon-inte-.t'.oorsefiws mig'it i That it shall not I.e lawful for any citi- i)e jullered without a^^- !;ri-:e.;h of faith f xen or citizens ofthe Unilerl States or to expi'-f, or nii;d-.t even be repealed [ thti terriu)ries I'ieiecf, nor f)r any |ier- immediiitely, notwithstanding tin; per- ; son or persons residiiig or being in ilie severance of France i'l her Berlin   and , same, lo have anv intercourse  vvitii   oi'
die rejection of it; and that he  cbnse- quenct- vvoiUd hav< have i nU-rce
it reh rred, ifany such commerce should j the U. s/o^'th. territories th-reoi; i| -'^•-"'Ptec. • any ^^..^^^., ,„. ^,^^^^^,,^ ^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^^  ^^^^^ ^.^
rnv7-i77-c- j ''>¦ '''^'^¦'¦"''' '^'' ^''^* L^- S   and  r-gi.u redl
vWi\i^Kl',oo, according; to law, ;,nv goods  Ualcs   o^
„, ~~,^ h^erchandizewii.tev:, from  any   norti
lin-snA^y, Dec. 19. I or place   situated   iu   t;reat nritai-i or
- .       ^^  Ij^i.^.      _ . Ireland, orin any ofthe colonics .irdi '
KespoctingihccommeiTial intei-co..ir.<.e > pendencies cf Gre-ii   I'.ritain  nor   lior between the IJnited States and Great ! any port or phic; situated iiiY'r ipcc, c Dntam and Ira-.ice ;   and    for other j in any of her co]onie3   or dependenci«i •put poses. , ,   . ' ^-^^ '¦«¦'"! any port or plue in the actus
load the hi-st nnd second time, and j possession t)f eidie-.- Gieru Bri'iin < com-mitted to a cominiuee of the v.liole | France. Nor .,hall it be lawful to it hoiUie, on -rnday next. j poit i.uo die Uniied St.ite, or  ihti   ter
Beit enaefedbyf.be senate and b:use \ ritcries ihen^of, from any  for irn  pes (f representatives ^fthe United States of   or pbce whatev.^-. in ar.y vessel or vcs Ar.nnca, m c-^ngress  assembled,   'liut \ .sels r.ot owned wholly bV riiir.ensofib from and afltr__tbe par, ;nge of this   act, ; U   S and rej^isteredVccording  to  l.i^ ' the hiirboutsand yvMers j any golds, wares or nierciiiuidize whj
from the governmeiit to which thev be¬ long, and also pat !:r;,-, Iv.uie.g no cargo nor nvn.hand';-/L' on lioavd. And if :i- ily |-»ubiick siiip or yes--;el us aforts.ii^.!, not being in-l-uled in the exce-piion a- bivw-emcntionfd,shall enter ;;ny li:-;!i)o-iiH (n wate-s '.vitlda dn-j'lrisdietion of i.ie United Slates,or i>i tho territories tiiete Oi, it.sh ill be lawful for the president of
ever, ludng the ,",ro\vt!i, produce or nufacturc of I'rance, or of any of hei^^^l colonies or dep. ndenries ; or'hei'r; oi'^^<. the j;;-ovvih. jiroduCL- or m.inufactur,' ot||*-J, (Mcar-I'ritain fM-Ircl-.-.nd or of any of^l'^ cn.lencies of (-reat^afX iiCO«*a.
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or ^,¦l-,nul;u.l^;r^ oi any
in lhe;;ct':,il po-ses,!on of either Er.ri
or Great-Ihituiiu
Sect. 5   And be it firther   enactedi Tiiat Irom and afuTttie fifit.entiubiy of| A-pri! iie?.t. it shall r.cl be huvlul to ira poll, in any nvirner v. h.itever, into th U  r». or lb J    lerriiories   diereof.   an ;;oods v/arcj or m.-rchaiull7/.i  wbatevii' bi.invj of the gro-.vih. produce or  tr.inu / ;("ire  of   Great-'h-iiain   or   Irt la iicri; any port or pl.ice other than a por 'ir place .situ tted   in    (".real Britain   oil Inland ; nor anv goods wares  or me chi'.'idi/.t; wliatever, Iieing of llit growti profluce or nianufa'turt' of anv  colon or d.-pendcncies of (irtal   Hiiunn    s I',i:;ted bevor.d the Cape of Ciond Mop^MVj' irom any pert or place other than a poJ^ i (Jl place ^.itua^ed in   .some   ol the i colonies   cr   dep-jndencits ;     nor  .;ii''' yA goods wares ornu-.rch:in-li-/.c  vvhalevi;r^'j;J^|
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other edicts ;   and diat    Mr.   Eiskine    to afford any aid fir .^applies to any po!) j bein,'^ cd'die grov.-th, produce or mani]
had in irulh secured nothiiig inure, as     lick ship or vessel  as  aforesaid,  vvhich
the consideration of the ifrtali ofthe or ders in cf/uncii, lh;<n the renewal of A- ineric;.n intercourse    vvith   Great-Uri- i tain.
j Upon the seconu of the conditions ' mentioned in Mr. Erskihc's instruc- i tions I M.udc severid remarks I stated j lh;it il h?fl no necessary coniicxion widi the ijriniipabubject ; thai it had lost its
shall     contrary     to     liie     p'ro^isions
of     this     act,     have     entered    any
harbour or v.'aterfl widiiti   tiie Juri.idic-   ! south of the U. S. from    any   poi t ^
tion of the United States, or. tlie lerri-   < place, other than a port or pl.ice situatj
facture of nny cedony or dependencie
of Gimt IJiitain, sitnaledin   ihe   W< Indies, or in any other partof Amer|i|
tories thereof ; ;ind if any person sh;ill, contrarv to ilie pro\ isions of this act, have any latere.mrse vvidi such sliip or Vessel, or shall afford any aid to such ship or vessel, eiiher in    repairing   the.
in .some of the said cidonies   or depel ' dencier, ; nor any ijocd.s wares or  met j chandize whatever, being of the growUjI ' produce or mar.ufactuie   of any   otlu
province, colony or ilependency  of ' Britnin, situated   on  the   continent
what Wits due to iht; honour of mv own i importance to Great Britain by the  re-    said vessel or in fnrnishinf; her, her of        ^ ^
gfA-minu-nr, I minfit contribute to i.ro   i ducrion of almost all the colonies oi her    hcers and crew, with   supplies   of any   ' North America, from any |)onor pla^j'.,' " ' ' enemies ; that lialavin was undei-.stood    kind, or in nny manner whatever ; or if     oiher than a pt^rt (tr  jdiee eituated  i^;^^*:^
n!)t to I'e afh.-ried by it ; that   it   could    any pilot or odur person shall assist  in •' ' "' '  ""   ""' "
noti'pply lo Ciuidaioupe   (the  only  o- . navignting or piloting such ship or ves-   |
iher unconquercd colony) since  it'was ; sel, unless it be f>r the purjKjse of^ car-  ¦
admitted that we    were    not  cXchuIetl ! ryinj^-her beyond the limits and  juris-  j
from a trade with Guadaloupe in peace; ' diction of the United Stales, every per-
that I did not kninv vvhat   the  govern- ; sou so offending shall forfeit aud pav a
.,.^ ,_,.   ,laving  been ' ment of the Unit-d States wculd   upon | sum not le-^s thau one   hundred dolLirs,
iaKl before the house of romtnons,   arc | sufiicieiit inducements   consent   to  do i ntjr exceeding   ten   thousand dollars; now printed.    Y(;u   will  find ihem iu ' uiion (his point; but that it could .scarce- i nnd shall also be imprisoned for a term
,duce an eiTort here towe.rds friendly ad justment.
¦ Extract of a letter iitmi Mr. Pinknev to Mr. Smiih, dated Loudon, June 9, 13G9. " Tvlr. Erskine's instructions concern
•ing the orders in   counci
s(>me of die said provinces, colonies va ,. flepindencie.s ; nor any goods, warM?,, or  merchandize   vv'iatevcr,  being  ^'^wA
the newspaper enclosed.
"i^ is not improbable that when ?'Ir. Ctinningread tliese instructions to mc, .1 inferred from the manner in vvhich the tbrce points stated in the Jth, Gth, fk 7t!i paragraphs, are introduced and connect¬ ed, th.'it ihf^v vvere o//consider«.-d as sug gested by Mr. Erskine'.s "report of his conv( rsations with M'-. ?*Iadison, Mr. Galhiiin nnd .31 r. Smith, ; v, .lelher I vvas Jed by any other cause ii).to tbe nusta!:e of su])|)os:ng that the f//.-;-^/(as well as the- first and second) v^'as so suggested, i lam not sure ; and it is not very  nia
I ly be evpected to jjive the imjilied sanc- i lion, vvhich ibis condition called upon it j t<) gi-v-e, tothe nili;of the war of  1 7oo, I widiOut any   equivalent   or reciprot.al sripulalion whatsoever.     IMr.   Canning admitted dial the second condition had no nccessnrv connexion vvith disorders in council, and he intimated that  they would have been   content to  leave the sui)iect of it   lo  future  discussion and arrangement     He added that this con- • lition was inserted in Mr  Erskine's in¬ structions, becaufte iiliad appeared from his own report   of conversations   with
tar'in]. of.ici.il pe.-sons al Washington that there
.    'SMr.   Canning's   mi-.conceplion   of    would be no difhculty in agreeing to it. Vome in'o'-.r^al t.bserviition-, from me in -.      Upon the thu-d   condition   I said a
ver^• few words.    I   re-stated   what   1
January last, has been in part mention¬ ed i'l mv letter ofthe Gth instant. Hi.t the published instructions show vvhat I had '.i'^'. collected liom hearing them rir.A. t:. It he nndersl(.>r,d me lo have Raid "th;U the Amirriean government vva-s it.tlf'.iware that witliout an enforce m^nt, liv liie naval power of (ireat-Bri- 'tAn, o' -d-(e )t)^-.hui',nsar America wiih respe(-t to prance, tlir)se reguiadons must l.ie altogether nvijrritory." It can-* hot be i]tccb.sar\' to iniorm you that in
had thrown out Uj)on the matter of it in an inforiTi:il conversrt'on in January, Sc expressed my regret that it -hould h.-ive been misatiprehended. Mr. Ciinning iuin)ediat'''ly said that he was himself of opinion that 'he idea upon which that ctji-dition turns could not well find its way i.uo a stipulation ; dml he hafl ne¬ vertheless, bcheved it proo.'rto propose the condido-i   to   the   Loiited States ;
not less than oi.e month, nor mure than
growdi produce or m.inufacture of at other colonv or de: endene'V  of G.
nor otherwise   herein   particularly  d^j: ,| scribed, from .iny port or place siiualA i j^I i'l some of the s.iid colo lies or  depeBj| | dencies not oiherwise herein pardcuIa»;:'V ly described ; nor any gjods, wares one year. merchandize   whatever,   being  of w»i.j;
Sect. 3. And be  it farther enacted,    growth,  produce   or   manufacture  mX: That the entrance of the harbours   and      France ; nor any goods, wares or me|;|i / waters of the United States and the ur- : chandize whatever, being ol the grow ritories be, and the same is hereby  in-  | produce or manufacture of pny coloi tcrdicled to all ships and vessels sailing i or dependency ot I< ranee, situated under the   flag   of   Clreat-Brit-.iin   or | yofid the Cape of (.ood Hope,Iron France, or owned in whole or  in  part \ ny port or place other than   a   port a
place situated in some of the said cor
by anv cili-/.en or subject of either ;veM- sels hired, chartered, or employtd by the government of either^ country, fbr th£.sole purpose r.f carrying letters or di%atches, and also, forced in hy dis¬ tress, or by the dangers of the sea, on¬ ly excepted. And ifany ship or vessel sailing under the flag of (ircal-lJriiaiii or France or owned in vvhole or in pan by any cid-zen or subject of either, and ri()t excepted as aforesaid, shall hereaf¬ ter arrive eidier vvilh orwithout a carjjo within the limits ofthe Uniied States, or territories thereof, such Khip or ves¬ sel together with the cargo, ifany, which may be found on board, shall be forfeit cd,'and mav be seized and condemned i in any courtof the U. S. or the territo¬ ries thereof, having competent juri«dic-
that he ehonldhave been satisfied  wit-s},. tion.
nies or dependencies ; nor any goi wares or merchandize whatever, beii the growth, produce or manufacture: any colon)- or rlepcndency  of Fran situated in the Wtsi hufn-s, or   in odier part of America souih of the S  from any port ur   (ilace   situated some ot the said roloiiies or depend cies ; nor any goods, wan.'s or nierch di'Ze whatever, being of the growth, f^^ ducc or manufacture or any  other loiiy or dependency of France, not mo therwise herein particularly describtii^J from any port or   place other   than||ij'*^ port or place situated in   some of said colonics or dependencies not ot wise herein particularly described.
Sect. 6. Andbeit further   mnict.^ l"iat whenever an7 anidc •r ards